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Postby Finchy » 14. May 2012, 20:23

Creator Jonathan Nolan tells TV Guide (May 2012): “We’re always looking for those tectonic moves—the big movements underneath everything. I think you’ll see some relationships shifting again with another character on our show that people don’t talk about as much: the machine.”

So the Machine is a "character" now? That could become interesting...
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Postby reesespieces101 » 14. May 2012, 20:54

Ah yes, you might be right...that would be dangerously cool! ... The Machine has decided who is a Threat and decides what number to be spit out ...very possible... Although, the phone call that Finch makes on the street, says to me that there is someone else (human) involved ... I'm thinkin', like I've said before, it's Nathan...maybe he's like that Hawkings guy, in a wheelchair from the accident but not quite right in the head...Just sayin'!! :shock:
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Re: The Machine

Postby Finchy » 15. May 2012, 04:43

The noise in the phone sounded to me more like computer generated static. Who knows...maybe Harold can understand that static like some folks can understand Morse Code. Perhaps he has an app that warns him when the Machine generates a new POI...then calls a specific phone nbr and the Machine gives him the SS number.

Then there is this:
Finch to Nathan: "The Machine is coded in such a way it can't be abused; it can't even be accessed. It upgrades itself, maintains itself, patches itself..."

So I'm remembering the following quote from the movie "I, Robot" (I'm a big Asimov fan! )
Dr. Alfred Lanning: "There have always been ghosts in the machine. Random segments of code, that have grouped together to form unexpected protocols. Unanticipated, these free radicals engender questions of free will, creativity, and even the nature of what we might call the soul."

What if that happen to Harold's Machine?
(Remember the book that Reese finds that contains the photo of Finch and Ingram? The title was "The Ghost in the Machine" and while that book deals with the human brain...well... :| )

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Re: The Machine

Postby mratm23 » 16. May 2012, 00:39

chimera wrote:The noise in the phone sounded to me more like computer generated static. Who knows...maybe Harold can understand that static like some folks can understand Morse Code. Perhaps he has an app that warns him when the Machine generates a new POI...then calls a specific phone nbr and the Machine gives him the SS number.

Then there is this:
Finch to Nathan: "The Machine is coded in such a way it can't be abused; it can't even be accessed. It upgrades itself, maintains itself, patches itself..."

So I'm remembering the following quote from the movie "I, Robot" (I'm a big Asimov fan! )
Dr. Alfred Lanning: "There have always been ghosts in the machine. Random segments of code, that have grouped together to form unexpected protocols. Unanticipated, these free radicals engender questions of free will, creativity, and even the nature of what we might call the soul."

What if that happen to Harold's Machine?
(Remember the book that Reese finds that contains the photo of Finch and Ingram? The title was "The Ghost in the Machine" and while that book deals with the human brain...well... :| )

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Nah, I think Finch can control and do whatever he wants with the Machine. He's probably the only one capable of really telling it was to do. Although the idea of the pager and app of when the Machine gets a new POI is believable. I don't see any other explanation...
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Re: The Machine

Postby reesespieces101 » 16. May 2012, 06:01

chimera wrote:The noise in the phone sounded to me more like computer generated static. Who knows...maybe Harold can understand that static like some folks can understand Morse Code. Perhaps he has an app that warns him when the Machine generates a new POI...then calls a specific phone nbr and the Machine gives him the SS number.

Then there is this:
Finch to Nathan: "The Machine is coded in such a way it can't be abused; it can't even be accessed. It upgrades itself, maintains itself, patches itself..."

So I'm remembering the following quote from the movie "I, Robot" (I'm a big Asimov fan! )
Dr. Alfred Lanning: "There have always been ghosts in the machine. Random segments of code, that have grouped together to form unexpected protocols. Unanticipated, these free radicals engender questions of free will, creativity, and even the nature of what we might call the soul."

What if that happen to Harold's Machine?
(Remember the book that Reese finds that contains the photo of Finch and Ingram? The title was "The Ghost in the Machine" and while that book deals with the human brain...well... :| )

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Do you remember the episode on the X Files when the computer was determining who was or was not a threat and started killing people randomly? The programmer couldn't stop it and was ultimately killed by it because he tried to dismantle it. Are Finch and Reese one step ahead of the Machine ...saving the irrelevants (victim and perpetrator) before the Machine decides to erase them?
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Re: The Machine

Postby Finchy » 16. May 2012, 19:37

Do you remember the episode on the X Files when the computer was determining who was or was not a threat and started killing people randomly?

Oh, wow. :shock:
"The Ghost in the Machine"

PS: Read the next to last sentence in that wiki article. Recognise a name?
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Re: The Machine

Postby reesespieces101 » 17. May 2012, 00:24

touche ... Mark Snow ... did we uncover something? Should we go dark? 8-)
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Re: The Machine

Postby bluesparrow29 » 18. May 2012, 23:59

Hmm... at the end of the finale, when Reese tells the Machine Finch is in danger and it needs its help to get him back, the machine kind of thinks Error: Continuity of Operations Compromised Evaluating Options; should we assume the Machine is protective of Finch? I would love that 8-)
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Re: The Machine

Postby reesespieces101 » 19. May 2012, 17:12

bluesparrow29 wrote:Hmm... at the end of the finale, when Reese tells the Machine Finch is in danger and it needs its help to get him back, the machine kind of thinks Error: Continuity of Operations Compromised Evaluating Options; should we assume the Machine is protective of Finch? I would love that 8-)


Absolutely...The Machine is Nathan ... Finch said to Alicia, "The Machine didn't kill Nathan and it's not trying to kill you...It's people that we trusted that are trying to kill us." but he never said that Nathan was dead,,,(check it out!...very cool)
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Re: The Machine

Postby mratm23 » 23. May 2012, 01:38

bluesparrow29 wrote:Hmm... at the end of the finale, when Reese tells the Machine Finch is in danger and it needs its help to get him back, the machine kind of thinks Error: Continuity of Operations Compromised Evaluating Options; should we assume the Machine is protective of Finch? I would love that 8-)


Of course the Machine is protective of Finch. After all, it labels John as an asset and calls him on the phone because it knows he works with Finch. And it knows that Finch is the "SYSADMIN".
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