bluesparrow29 wrote:Maybe Finch isn't lying he is just keeping things from Reese (at least that's what it seems to me) Ingram was considered a threat to the machine, maybe what he did was not a contingency but something else, and in my opinion I don't think Ingram is bad. If he did create the back door maybe he told Finch about it before he died(if he is dead) and told Reese he created it; he really hasn't mentioned Ingram to Reese at all...

...And Bluesparrow, Finch can't be dead! Without him there would be no show!

So here's an idea:
Don't know if you ever watched the Buffy series, but at the end of one of the seasons, Buffy is killed and the first few episodes of the next season has her "team" attempting to carry on her activities without her, while trying to find a way to get her back. I'm wondering now if that is not the concept we'll see at the start of Season 2, with the Irrelevant Protection Team (Reese, Carter, Fusco, Zoe) working the Numbers while trying to find Finch...

reesespieces101 and chimera there are a lot of users in this forum you guys are about the only ones committed to it, my compliments

Aww thanks! <shuffles feet...>
There are several POI forums and FaceBook pages...but this forum is at least not a commercial site like CBS (lame!) and TV.com...and not a multiple show site like TWoP. And while I have visited the popular FB pages, those scroll like a chat with some so fangirl oriented that plot analysis would be impossible.

I assume that since this site is also in German, that it originates in EU, but it's a phpBB format (with which I'm familiar) and is really suited to our activities!

reesespieces101 wrote:Also, this is way out there but I think Root figured out the Machine after the assassination of Congressman Delancey and I believe Turing is just an ingenious hack but not the real Root...I think Stanton is Root and whoever got away with the laptop in Ordos (I don't think it was John...) is the one who is manipulating the data!

The idea that Root may be just a clever hack I find appealing!

That Turing is not the real Root is of course possible, but the unique theme music used when Root appeared in Root Cause matches the theme music used when Turing is in Finch's car near the end of Firewall.
Of course these writers are good at creating red herrings, but I'd be disappointed if that music was to lead us astray. It was such a neat, subtle clue to Roots identity.
As for Stanton...color me surprised that she returned from the dead! That she lied to Reese in Ordos (ok...ok...she didn't lie, she just omitted some facts...) about the Machine leads me to believe she may already know about it. Or... she believed Reese to be compromised and figured he didn't need a full answer to his question about what the injured tech said.

Isn't this fun? Come Sept. we're probably going to see all our theories blown away as the writers take control!
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Edited to correct my misreading of BlueSparrow's post!

chimera wrote:...And Bluesparrow, Finch can't be dead! Without him there would be no show!

Oh I don't think Finch will die either. He can't die! I meant whether In gram is dead or not.

Don't know if you ever watched the Buffy series, but at the end of one of the seasons, Buffy is killed and the first few episodes of the next season has her "team" attempting to carry on her activities without her, while trying to find a way to get her back. I'm wondering now if that is not the concept we'll see at the start of Season 2, with the Irrelevant Protection Team (Reese, Carter, Fusco, Zoe) working the Numbers while trying to find Finch...

Hm no I'm not familiar with the Buffy series, Person of Interest is one of the very few shows I watch. I did hear that it might take one or two episodes to get Finch back maybe something like that will happen.

I agree other forums like CBS suck. I do like this one.

I do think Turning is Root, she just looks so demented and perfect for the character. I really have no clue on who's side Stanton is; I can't wait for September! and watch as the writers blow us away

bluesparrow29 wrote:

chimera wrote:...And Bluesparrow, Finch can't be dead! Without him there would be no show!

Oh I don't think Finch will die either. He can't die! I meant whether In gram is dead or not.

Arrgh! I misread that part of your post completely! Sorry... (Tried to correct it, but oh, well...)

Lots of folks think Ingram is still alive...and while I was originally against that idea, I may be warming up to it. Maybe because I like the actor, Brett Cullen (Nathan) and if he's still alive he'll be on some more!

I just happened to catch X Files "The Ghost in The Machine" tonight on Youtoo tv...The computers were way ahead of their time and the talk of artificial intelligence was in its infancy but it held up... Mulder says to the guy who invented the Machine...and they called it that..."You created the Machine...now you're gonna help me destroy it"...sound familiar?

The idea that Root may be just a clever hack I find appealing!

If Turing is Root (just a name anyway)...I think she is just a hired gun for a more dangerous entity..."The higher up you go, the harder it is to tell the good guys from the bad"...John Reese

I think she will be cut down quickly in season 2 to reveal an even more sinister baddie...It wouldn't be prudent for the government to know about Finch so soon...he must remain dead in the eyes of the PTB...also the only ones who have knowledge of Reese is Snow (dead or alive?) and maybe Stanton (it doesn't seem that she would know that he made it out of Ordos alive)...FBI is still wondering who this guy is...DER!

Fusco is in huge trouble because Simmons saw him in the garage helping out John...but the FBI also is onto Simmons...

This show boggles whats left of my mind...

reesespieces101 and chimera there are a lot of users in this forum you guys are about the only ones committed to it, my compliments

Thanks for the shout out, bluesparrow...you come up with some goodies, too...we should all keep each other busy until Harold is safely back in the library drinking his Sensha Green Tea!!!

I miss them!

reesespieces101 wrote:

reesespieces101 and chimera there are a lot of users in this forum you guys are about the only ones committed to it, my compliments

Thanks for the shout out, bluesparrow...you come up with some goodies, too...we should all keep each other busy until Harold is safely back in the library drinking his Sensha Green Tea!!!

I miss them!

Well, there are now 490 "members" of which only EHugh has more posts.

We the 0.8% that posts here on a regular or semi-regular basis...

reesespieces101 wrote:I just happened to catch X Files "The Ghost in The Machine" tonight on Youtoo tv...The computers were way ahead of their time and the talk of artificial intelligence was in its infancy but it held up... Mulder says to the guy who invented the Machine...and they called it that..."You created the Machine...now you're gonna help me destroy it"...sound familiar?

The idea that Root may be just a clever hack I find appealing!

If Turing is Root (just a name anyway)...I think she is just a hired gun for a more dangerous entity..."The higher up you go, the harder it is to tell the good guys from the bad"...John Reese

I think she will be cut down quickly in season 2 to reveal an even more sinister baddie...It wouldn't be prudent for the government to know about Finch so soon...he must remain dead in the eyes of the PTB...also the only ones who have knowledge of Reese is Snow (dead or alive?) and maybe Stanton (it doesn't seem that she would know that he made it out of Ordos alive)...FBI is still wondering who this guy is...DER!

Fusco is in huge trouble because Simmons saw him in the garage helping out John...but the FBI also is onto Simmons...

This show boggles whats left of my mind...

reesespieces101 and chimera there are a lot of users in this forum you guys are about the only ones committed to it, my compliments

Thanks for the shout out, bluesparrow...you come up with some goodies, too...we should all keep each other busy until Harold is safely back in the library drinking his Sensha Green Tea!!!

I miss them!

I just can't see Turing be that much of a threat. Sure, she's a extreme hacker and shot and killed Corwin. So I think it's possible she's probably the hired gun for Stanton. Stanton probably has the laptop from Ordos and found out about the Machine and how it works. Turing is now leading Finch back to Stanton, possibly as bait for John to meet back with Stanton.